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Old 01-11-2005, 21:15
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Nascar, the next generation

In de F1 staan ons heel wat veranderingen te wachten qua design en ontwerp van de wagens. Dit in kader van de veiligheid of om de races aantrekkelijker te maken........ Met dat laatste punt hebben ze geen probleem in Nascar. Actie genoeg, de veiligheid is iets anders. In de afgelopen zijn er toch enkele serieuze klappers geweest met vergaande gevolgen.

In plaats van paniek voetbal te spelen zoals de FIA dat altijd doet, pakken ze dat bij Nascar toch net effe iets beter aan Zowel teams als Nascar zelf bouwen een prototype om daarmee te testen. Veel mensen achter het stuur en maar rondjes rijden en evalueren. Uiteindelijk komt men tot een oplossing die voor iedereen werkbaar is. Zie je het al voor je? De FIA die eerst een idee testen op de baan en dan pas de regels veranderen.................

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Edwards drove a prototype Roush Racing car, along with Richard Childress Racing's Jeff Burton, Dale Earnhardt Inc. driver Martin Truex Jr., Petty Enterprises' Kyle Petty and Hendrick Motorsports' Brian Vickers. Former driver Brett Bodine, now a NASCAR official, drove a prototype built by NASCAR's own engineering staff.

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Op die pagina staat ook een foto van de Nascar nieuwe stijl. A real brick
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Old 01-11-2005, 21:40
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foto: www.speedtv.com

In dit artikel op Speed TV staat nog wat meer info over de Nascar wagens nieuwe stijl.
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Zie ik nou Daytona-Prototype-achtige praktijken met vergrootte cockpits?
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Old 02-11-2005, 19:43
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Five teams took part in the day-long sessions, with Edwards (Roush Racing) being joined by Jeff Burton (RCR), Martin Truex Jr. (DEI), Kyle Petty (Petty Enterprises) and Brian Vickers (Hendrick Motorsports), all testing cars from their own teams. Veteran Brett Bodine steered a NASCAR-owned “representative car”.
Dus een aantal teams hebben al wagens volgens de nieuwe normen gebouwd? Is dit geen oneerlijke concurrentie tov andere teams?


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Zie ik nou Daytona-Prototype-achtige praktijken met vergrootte cockpits?
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The larger roll cage and greenhouse are supposed to reduce the chance of a driver hitting anything inside the cockpit in case of a crash, but also improve the racing by punching a larger hole in the air at speed, facilitating draft passes.
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Old 02-11-2005, 23:24
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Dus een aantal teams hebben al wagens volgens de nieuwe normen gebouwd? Is dit geen oneerlijke concurrentie tov andere teams?
Ja en nee. Het aero-pakket wat je op de foto's ziet is nog niet definitieve versie. Daarnaast testen een aantal grote teams met die wagens en zijn alle merken vertegenwoordigd. De kleine teams in Nascar hebben wellicht niet de kans, mogelijkheid of middelen om de nieuwe wagens testen.

Dat klinkt nadelig maar ik denk dat het in de praktijk wel zal meevallen. Ik kan me niet inbeelden dat Ford of Cheverolet ermee instemmen dat de ene Ford zoveel trager is dan de andere Ford. Dus achter de schermen zal dat probleem wel worden weggepoetst.

Maar het grote voordeel van het introduceren van de regeles op deze manier is dat je meteen weet of een idee werkt of niet. De teams hebben inspraak en geven feedback. Achteraf kunnen die nooit klagen dat de organisatie wederom een achterlijk idee heeft bedacht. Iets wat een zekerheid is in de F1 2006

Mooi inzicht in de kosten voor seizoen 2007
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Richie Gilmore, vice president of motorsports at Dale Earnhardt Inc., says forcing teams to switch to the new car for all 2007 races would prove too costly.

"I don't think our budget could take that,'' Gilmore said. "We don't have enough funding for '07 to run our existing car and then to build the car of tomorrow. It would have to be spread out over 2007.''

Gilmore estimates it would cost $3.5 million per team to make the switch for all 2007 races. That would be $7 million for Dale Earnhardt Inc., which has two full-time teams. The figure could reach $10.5 million if the organization has a third full-time team.

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Dat is voor ons Europeanen een schamel en luttel bedrag Wij kennen teams die gerust 300 tot 400 miljoen Euro per jaar verbrassen
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Old 03-11-2005, 20:59
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Dat is voor ons Europeanen een schamel en luttel bedrag Wij kennen teams die gerust 300 tot 400 miljoen Euro per jaar verbrassen
Mark, je moet alles in z'n context zien. NASCAR zijn prive/sponsor-gelden. Die honderden miljoenen Euro komen van constructeurs. Wat ik wel vreemd vind, is dat NASCAR zo weinig kost. Ook al heb je de 'global' reclame van een F1 niet...

Een tweede gedacht: Als je vier races wint ( aan een gemiddelde van 1 miljoen per race, wat niet uitzonderlijk meer is), dan kun je het jaar erop zonder sponsor rijden. Of zie ik een berg of twee over het hoofd?

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Old 24-01-2006, 00:55
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NASCAR plans on using the new car in 16 races in 2007 including all less than 1.5-mile tracks, the two road course events and the fall restrictor plate race in Talladega. In 2008, NASCAR will extend the schedule to 26 Nextel Cup races adding in 2-mile and up tracks; with full saturation in 2009.

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geleidelijke invoering dus. Het raarste is dat er een vleugel opstaat vanachter geen spoiler meer.
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Old 24-01-2006, 01:34
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Ik meen me te herinneren dat het prijzengeld door de piloot verdeeld wordt in het team, dus als het team goed scoort, wordt het ook beloond ... Meen me te herinneren dat ik dat ooit gehoord heb tijdens een race op tv .
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Old 09-06-2006, 23:02
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Ze zijn nog altijd niet zeker wat ze nu juist willen. Het zal toch stilaan tijd worden.

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Changes coming to the COT: NASCAR’s “Car of Tomorrow” is still not finished, according to multiple sources in the NASCAR Nextel Cup garage. Within the next two weeks, General Motors will be wind-tunnel testing a new version of the COT, with different sides and new tail section. Some manufacturers had complained that the radical design does not look enough like existing production cars, which may be responsible for the change. Sources said the COT’S chassis specs will not be changed, just the body. But that likely will mean substantial additional testing is needed prior to the design being finalized. The ongoing development work on the car means that NASCAR will push back its submission date for the car, sources told SPEEDTV.com. Typically, the final design date for any new car is July 1, so teams ordinarily would have to submit their 2007 Nextel Cup cars by July 1, 2006. But since the COT is not completed, the sign-off date will be at some point beyond July 1, sources said. And that is a double-edged sword: It gives teams more time to work on the car, but it also pushes back when they can begin the cars, since the specs are not final.(Speed Channel)

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Old 22-08-2006, 21:39
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De achtervleugels (ipv de spoiler nu) zullen alvast NASCAR gefabriceerde modelllen zijn.

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NASCAR to hand out the COT 'wings'? All the attention on NASCAR's new Car of Tommorrow, set to see action in 2007, centers around the new rear wing which replaces the current spoiler. CircleTrackPlus.com has learned today the new wing used in competition will be distributed by NASCAR as part of the inspection process, in the same manner NASCAR distributes restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega and that teams have been the final common templates for the new COT. Manufacturer specific templates will be issued at a later date once NASCAR has approved those shapes. The process for the new wing will be simple. Teams will practice with a wing that they own. NASCAR will issue wings under their control as part of the qualifying and pre-race inspection process. The new Car of Tomorrow will also change the inspection procedure as it applies to the templates. "You won't see a reduction in the number of templates, but you will see template sets used to measure shapes of the body," said one NASCAR official. "The new car will have a zero offset tolerance from the centerline." The Michigan test was also the first public test for Toyota's new Car of Tomorrow.(CircleTrackPlus.com - see some images there)
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toch maar raar zicht:


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Old 26-10-2006, 20:26
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Het is inderdaad wennen die voorvleugel en nieuwe achtervleugel.
Ik vind NASCAR wagens zonder livery zowiezo lelijk.
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Old 26-10-2006, 20:30
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We krijgen ook andere modellen bij Chevy en Dodge:

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Beginning in 2007, Dodge and Chevrolet will campaign new models in Nextel Cup competition, Yahoo! Sports has learned. Dodge will run the Avenger, while Chevrolet will run the Impala SS, according to sources with some of NASCAR's manufacturers. The change also was indicated in a technical bulletin distributed to all teams last week. Both Dodge and Chevy soon will announce that they have been given approval by NASCAR to change to the new models, with Chevy's announcement possibly coming as soon as this week. According to the sources, the stock car version has been approved for use by Dodge teams for both the current Nextel Cup car as well as the Car of Tomorrow version, starting next season. The switch from Monte Carlo to Impala could signal the end of the Monte Carlo name from the Chevrolet lineup, as its rear-drive design [NOTE: the Monte Carlo is front wheel driven - verified at the chevrolet.com site] is used on its model alone and at the present time, no replacement is on the drawing boards at GM. However, unlike its Dodge counterpart, the Impala SS will only be used by Chevrolet teams for their Car of Tomorrow, according to sources. Manufacturers and NASCAR also are continuing to move forward with plans to change all of the models used in the Busch Series, perhaps as soon as the 2010 season. That change would put smaller, sportier models into competition, like the retro-designed Ford Mustang, Chevrolet Camaro and Dodge Challenger – as well as the Toyota Solara.(Yahoo Sports
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Jammer dat net nu montoya daar gaat rijden die wagens zo lelijk worden... Ach ja dan maar een modelauto kopen om alleen de rijder die erin zit.

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Old 27-10-2006, 00:40
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in full livery zullen ze er weer schitterend uitzien.
En waarom niet een beetje aan schoonheid inboeten als de gelijkheid en veiligheid erop vooruit gaan?

Eén ding is zeker : hoe ze er ook uitzien zal mij worst wezen, de races zullen toch altijd mooier blijven dan wat we in Europa te zien krijgen (enige uitzondering BRL)
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